Listen to our interview with Maarten Camps, Head of the Dutch PES, and Johannes Kopf, Chair of the PES Network as they talk about their policy responses and personal memories of the COVID-19 pandemic so far.

For the best way to keep up to date with latest developments and hear directly from key personalities in the world of public employment services in Europe, check out the latest episode of PESPod – the new podcast from the PES Network.

In our second ever episode, released this week, we hear about the importance of good PES-government relations and their practical reality in the face of crisis. This includes a memorable Sunday afternoon meeting at a government Minister’s home and the crucial policy responses which emerged from that.

Since, the pandemic has affected all of our lives in different ways, the friendly discussions cover not only the very latest in PES policy responses to the crisis - including an emerging wage subsidy scheme in the Netherlands, but also personal memories from the past year, from skating on canals to working out the dress codes for Zoom meetings…

You can find all episodes here or search for “PESPod” wherever you listen to your podcasts and don’t forget to subscribe to receive future episodes directly!