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Contact point | Arūnas Cijūnaitis | |
Date | 25th October 2018 | |
Venue | Ministry of Economy Gedimino 38 Vilnius, Lithuania | |
Room capacity | 100 50 | |
Target audience (and expected number of attendees) | About 45 NEA, the Network of Electronic Business is a non-profit, member-ruled organisation. NEA offers a neutral and independent meeting place for everyone who is operating in Electronic Business or has an interest in the subject. Participants mostly service providers but also big buyer organization with own development of eInvoicing solutions. | 25 participants - Service Providers, Public Sector, Tax Authorities |
Content and topics to be covered
# | Modules | Your choice | |
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1 | Introduction to eInvoicing | X | |
2 | The legal background | ||
3 | The European norm and its content | X | |
4 | Infrastructure based on the eDelivery DSI architecture | ||
5 | eInvoicing from a user perspective (including ordering and payments) | (X) | |
6 | Examples of early adopters of large scale eInvoicing – lessons learned | X | |
7 | Basic XML using examples from the EN-syntaxes + mapping/conversion considerations | ||
8 | XML Validation mechanisms | X | |
9 | Understanding OASIS UBL 2.1 | X | |
10 | Understanding UN/CEFACT CII D16B | X | |
11 | Funding and grants for e-Invoicing | X | |
12 | Introduction to the eInvoice DSI resources and tools | X | |
13 | Introduction to CEF Digital and e-Invoice readiness checker | X |
Agenda
09:00
- Introduction to the European standard
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- The directive on electronic
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- invoicing
- Roadmap on implememtation - dates and transition
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- The legal background
- The European norm and its content
- Infrastructure based on the eDelivery DSI architecture
- eInvoicing from a user perspective (including ordering and payments)
- Examples of early adopters of large scale eInvoicing – lessons learned
15:30
Questions during the workshop
Question | Answers | Actions to be taken | |||||
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Who are you? | Almost 100% 8 service providers 12 public sector representatives | ||||||
Do you have a profile at CEF Digital? | 2 out of 45 has 3 participants have a profile | ||||||
Which eInvoicing formats do you currently use?In Sweden, mostly Svefaktura and PEPPOL. Also EDIFACT. | |||||||
Have you started implementing the standard? | Yes, a few. Majority no. | ||||||
Have you bought your own copy of the standard yet? | No - 100% no. | ||||||
Have you applied for CEF funding before? | No - 100% no. | Question from audience: Is it common to apply for CEF funding? | Answer: It depends on the countries and especially the Nordic have had few applications. But it would be good to have more Nordic applications from Swedish, Danish and Norwegian service providers. | Question from the audience: Who maintains the standard in Sweden? | Answer: For the European standard → Swedish Standards Institute together with CEN and the other Member States. For the CIUS which will be used in Sweden → PEPPOL For Swedish supporting material such as mapping instructions, stylesheets, user guidelines, test files → SFTI (Single Face To Industry) and PEPPOL | 2 projects already funded - 1 eDelivery and 1 eProcurement/eInvoicing | |
How many have | How many have experience in Svefaktura? (for comparison with the Semantic model) | Almost 100% of the audience | How many have looked into detail in the semantic model (EN)? | Almost non | |||
How many have looked at the PEPPOL BIS BILLING 3.0 and PEPPOL CIUS? | 1/3 of the audienceat least 3 service providers in the workshops | ||||||
Deadline for implementing the new standard? | The deadline in the directive is 18th April 2019, but in some countries there is different deadlines such Norway with 1st January 2019 and Sweden with 1st April 2019 | COMMENT: As service providers we hope that Extensions to the standard is not going to be used, as this would stop interoperability between users and service providers. | If other countries impose earlier deadlines for the standard - would this mean that Swedish service providers should have the same standard if sending to Norway? | No, Norway should still have PEPPOL BIS 2 and EHF until the overall deadline of 18th April 2019. So the period in between is still ok to send with old invoices. | COMMENT: Overall, we believe that the new standard will be much better as documentation and implementation guidelines is improved than previous standards. |
Input from the Mini-workshops
- The law and the new standard will give more uptake, bigger volumes and a bigger "e-invoice industry".
- There will be a lot of integrations projects, particularly for those suppliers who can't use standard off-the-shelf solutions
- Much focus on "technical" aspects (standards, formats) from the buyers. Better to let the service provider offer solutions and focus on benefits
- Invoice issuing system often have bad data quality or rudimentary structured data - this can be a challange when creating the e-invoice which requires high level of structure data
- Extension will create problems and cause unnessary cost, if they become common
- Important that service providers takes responsibility about interoperability and to explain to their customers that "customized implementations" and specific requirements (extensions, CIUS) comes with a cost related to interoperability and onboarding
- XSLT for transformation from CII to UBL would be great to have and it would be implemented if it has good enough quality
- Negative invoice is seen as a problem. In Sweden, CreditNotes have always been used for crediting.
- The PEPPOL CIUS is a step forward, the documentation looks very good. An improvement to existing documentation for PEPPOL BIS and Svefaktura
- It is often not the technical aspects that halts/limits e-Invoice adoption, it is lack of knowledge (on the buyer/seller side)
- Implementation can be a problem for some ERP systems
- Some thinks that very few extensions and CIUS will be used in Sweden (as PEPPOL is/will be mandates for public sector)
- To much focus on eInvoice is taking away the focus on the whole procurment process (catalogue, order, delivery). This has traditionally been important in Sweden but lately, only invoice.
- More trainings will be necessary
- Invoice Response message is important and should be prioritized
- Those who have invested in PDF-only solutions will have big issues next year with the new law
- Validation rules should be multi-lingual
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Representation from private sector (service providers) and public sector (government). Several projects ongoing, some funded through CEF. PEPPOL are being established and also a central service.
A few users of CEF Digital
Comment from service provider:
It is a challange for our auditors that they can't see the original image of the invoice (authenticy).
Answer from hostsI/discussion:
We have to change this practice and explain what an e-invoice is (electronic and structured). PDF is not the future for Lithuania
Comment from service provider:
Could we from Lithuania provide a free printer capture software (converting the printer stream into a structure invoicd) to the market?
Answer from EC:
On the specific topic it is difficult to assess if it's a good case, but there are several cases in the past where public sector provide open source software and it has been taken up. At the same time, similar services are already provided on a commercial basis.
Comment from service provider:
Singapore did this in 1 year - what made that work for them?
Answer from EC:
It all comes down to legacy and culture. If you carry over a lot of legacy it will take longer time to adopt new technology, legislation or change business processes. Also the culture in different societies can be a factor for adopting changes. The Nordic countries has reached the conclusion that a single agency/contact pointis the way forward to set policies, drive the adoption of the directive.
Question to audience:
Have you discussed the use of CIUS?
Answer from service providers:
Yes, because of our selected infrastructure components and will hence use the PEPPOL CIUS.
Q: Lithuanian companies can be registered on a virtual address, is that possible according to the EN?
A: Good, question, this need to be further investigated.
CEF Funding
A: Have you experience in CEF funding?
Q: Yes, several projects. It was very good and enabled both building the infrastructure and knowledge
Pictures from the workshop
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Presentations from the workshop
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Survey for the workshop
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