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Just do it

Hi david, kat,

Can we start here as it's the logical spot. (The ECAS has mangled my name but let's not go there) This version of digital-agenda is good enough to become professional. And we'll need to start an informal learning. So as i've suggested over on the Policy making 2.0 group (which i can't point to as it's locked) . Could you put a link to this page http://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/implementation-foresight-model... on this page http://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/welcome-digital-agenda in the para. "How this site will evolve".

Either we start using this domain as an informal learning spot or we're going to be talking about making policy for new skills forever. So we'll need a forum which looks at developing the back end, and extending it, while all the talkers, talk.

I don't know where this site aligns with the "EC's central digital communication's team http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/waltzing_matilda/apps-or-websites/ but we obviously have the makings of a decent digital education, if we can get some collaboration happening across the europa domain, and beyond.

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Simon,

Simon,

We are soon to revise the page, https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/welcome-digital-agenda#how-this-site-will-evolve, so we can better reflect the possibilities for greater involvement by those who, like you are interested in letting us know where we can improve. Futurium is one way we have done this, and the platform you are currently using is another one.

We are in constant touch with the team in the Communications DG, DG who are behind the site http://blogs.ec.europa.eu/waltzing_matilda/apps-or-websites/ - Evan Woods used to be in DG INFSO, the predecessor of DG CONNECT.

Any more questions about the site, don’t hesitate to get in touch.

David RINGROSE
Head of Communication Unit, DG CONNECT

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apps, websites or networks

Whew! I don't envy you your job David.Talk about herding cats.
You really do have a great opportunity here.

I keep on looking at https://ecas.ec.europa.eu/cas/wayf and comparing it to http://www.globalplaza.org/spaces as an example of the number of "my groups", whose (federated) services you must be trying to bring together, in some spot in the ec.Europa domain. Arghh!

Kat might say we need some more research. https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/comment/reply/66539/891 I'd say we just need some development now, if we could just get a little understanding between the network guys http://www.terena.org/about/ and your matildas. I think we're all starting to work from the same service manual. https://www.gov.uk/service-manual (although getting engineers to talk above the radar is like extracting teeth)

Could you ask Matildas to look at this approach. http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/forum.php Not the software so much as the layout. (being able to see who's online, and number of people reading in a room). You can imagine it's not that much of a jump to starting a webinar in a room. I'll leave it at that for now. Don't want to disrupt this thread.

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collaboration & education

Simon, thanks a lot for your comment.

This thread is actually focused on digital education and learning methods. In this case particularly about inspiring examples of the use of informal education in mainstream education.

As far as the design of the Digital Agenda website and the overall engagement process is concerned, I would say that Futurium is the best place to discuss it. Why not putting your comment as a policy idea there? or maybe you would like to contribut to a policy idea we have put up with Alberto Cottica on networked-powered policy making?

 

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collaboration & education

Hi kat

Well, I took this approach because it will give you and the community an idea of how the informal is taking place, in a formal setting. I could point to a few moodles and moocs, as examples of the kind of embrionic "learning ecosystems", which are being experimented with on the web. But most of the informal learning, particularly in gov, is about getting into the peer learning routine, where most of the "ICT skills" are more about co-design of existing media, like this domain.

That's why i led with a suggestion of putting one page where, to a user, it logically belongs. It's of little use to point to the Futurium sub-domain, when logically, we're talking about files which sit within this one. https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en That's one digital skill of which I'm fully aware.

I could go on which lots of other anomalies like why this Event's page https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/digital-agenda-assembly-20... isn't a subset of this Groups' page. https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/communities/digital-agenda... We are trying to bring together lots of ideas from lots of Communities' conferences, all of which revolve around specific subjects, in remote 'ecosystems' = domains.

So I hope you'll take this as an illustration of how to break the barriers between formal teaching and informal learning. It's up to you and the community now, whether you/we want to talk about it or "just do it". All the best.

I will look at the network-powered policy making. I just hope we've got policy makers who understand network management. (The network management guys just hate politics).

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peer learning

Simon, you're right this platform was created as a form of informal and peer-learning environment. as for the design of the DAE website and these subpages, thanks a lot for your thoughts. we're still experimenting so every comment helps.

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Simon,

Simon,

On the issue of "...why this Event's page https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/digital-agenda-assembly-2013-work... isn't a subset of this Groups' page. https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/communities/digital-agenda-assembly..."  the reason is that this is the first use the collaborative feature we built here (Drupal module). There will be further "Communities", where we hope there will be further discussions on specific issues, so the "Community" link wil be a door to teh seciifc discussions - as of now, there is only one.

Best

DR

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Formal and non-formal systems in schools

Is it possible to have best of both systems - formal and not-formal - also in schools?

The answer is: YES, definitely !

A good example is provided by DIDASCA - The First Italian Cyber Schools for Lifelong Learning.
DIDASCA has built a bridge between formal and not-formal systems, through the ‘Didasca EduWeb Syndication’.

Didasca offers to schools:
- a digital textbook, for free, titled ‘DIDASpedia’ hosted by this site: http://www.didaspedia.it
- a MOOC (Mass Open Online Course) dealing with Google Chrome, considered as an ‘universal web browser’ for navigating the Web, hosted by this site: http://goo.gl/5ETtg

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informal learning environment integration

Dear Silverio,

 

very interesting and goes in line with what we have discussed during a recent webinar on Future of Education & Learning with prof. Peter Scott from Knowledge Media Institute. (Short recap on storify for those who are interested and the presentation is available on Futurium event page.)

Peter's mentioned all possible collaboration environements that we're already can use in education, such as Massive Open Online Courses, Personal Learning Environment, Personal Learning Networks, Open Education Resources, Open Education Practices. The interesting question coming from the webinar was how we recognise those informallly acquired competences at school? and how we build this common learning environment? 
It will be interesting to hear from you Silverio on how you integrate it with the formal education system? 
 

 

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Questions & Answers

@Katarzyna

I’ll try to answer your questions, below.

Q: … how we recognise those informally acquired competences at school?
A: To teachers that have attended the ‘PerCorso Google Chrome’ and have passed the Assessment Test, DIDASCA issues a certificate of completion titled: ‘Didasca Certified Google Chrome Expert’

Q: … and how we build this common learning environment?
A: Through a site, like ‘Banda Larga & Menti Acute’

Q: It will be interesting to hear from you Silverio on how you integrate it with the formal education system?
A: We integrate Schools into the ‘Didasca EduWeb Syndication’

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gamification

Another comment on the LinkedIn group from Etelberto Costa: "I pursue developments on role for contexts and the methodologies to apply. At our www.projectgreat.eu we are finding that digital games for fun can play an important role for learning within all generations. Gamming is a solution to implement for tranforming the informal on formal. We will share and promote critical thinking about it at our www.greatconference.eu and dissemination actions".

Definitely gamification of learning process is a big step towards merging informal and formal learning environments. The Great project Etelberto's mentioned but also for example, Appsforgood project are great initiatives turning teachers and students into digital creators. 

 

 

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Gamifcation is misleading

While gamification may be a big step towards merging informal and formal learning environments, the name itself might be misleading : borrowing techniques from those behind a gameplay does not necessarily means you will end up with a videogame (movies, interactive books take inspiration from games). In addition, the name itself, however flashy, may not sit well with a great deal of people not familiar with videogames, including among professional educators. Sir Ken Robinson believes that the future of learning will be properly addressed by combining leading edge ICT with “the extraordinary talent of our teachers”. Don’t risk losing a key support of digital learning by scaring them off!

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gamification once more

We have another voice in favour of gamification from Javier Salvador from Revolumedia

that he posted on the Future of Education LinkedIn group:  http://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&gid=2266966&type=member&item=243384921&commentID=140638107&report%2Esuccess=8ULbKyXO6NDvmoK7o030UNOYGZKrvdhBhypZ_w8EpQrrQI-BBjkmxwkEOwBjLE28YyDIxcyEO7_TA_giuRN#commentID_140638107

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Social Media, Apps and Learning: Just fun & games?

In keeping with the Grand Coalition for Digital Jobs, the Communication on Rethinking Education, and the EU Youth Strategy, the Directorate General for Education and Culture (DG EAC) of the European Commission and DIGITAL EUROPE are organizing a series of workshops to ascertain how digital education, entertainment and engagement can improve learning and contribute to growth and jobs across Europe. This" Technology, Education, Culture and Youth" (TECY) workshop series will do so by bringing together diverse groups of educators, young people, content producers, policymakers and the ICT industry, all together to discuss the latest issues. TECY will start on June 5th by seeking answers to the following question:

What employable skills & knowledge can be learned outside the classroom with new technologies and social media?

We value your participation in this debate that will be accessible via webinar, courtesy of Eurodesk. Please confirm your participation to Mrs Ambra Pasqualetto: ambra.pasqualetto@digitaleurope.org.

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thanks for the invitation

Jonathan, very interesting workshop series and a very interesting wide selection of participants. i'm certainly looking forward to reading the results of this group proceedings. can you share with us the timing of the whole series and the agenda?

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new webinar on Future of Education

"The Future of Education" interactive webinar hosted by the Digital Futures team of the DG Connect will take place on 10 June 2013 (1 PM Brussels time / CET).

 

In this webinar, Stephanie Fahey, Oceania Lead Partner for Education at Ernst & Young, will share her vision on the blurring boundaries in the future of education, and Xavier Prats Monné, Deputy Director General of Directorate-General for Education and Culture (DG EAC), will discuss the likely policy outcomes and implications of this vision. 

 

In 2050, the education landscape will be very different compared with what we see now. For example, it might be characterized by a “blurring of boundaries” between: 

 

- the levels of education (i.e. high schools and universities), 

- higher education and industry, 

- geographies (globally delivered education), and 

- education spaces (i.e. online learning). 

 

Register for the webinar on Futurium, the platform for the co-creation of Digital Futures or the Facebook event page.

 

If you are not able to attend the webinar, you can still share your views and comment on the event. To do this, you need to register on Futurium.  Futurium is the web space developed by the European Commission that allows you to shape the futures and policies that matter to you!

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Certifications

How to certificate informal education is a very important point.
I'm not only talking about MOOCs or other e-learning platforms but also all that lifelong learning knowledge that might be certified by maybe companies, schools & universities, whoever the trainer is...
I might be the one who knows the most about a topic because i love it, i read a lot, i've taken 3 moocs on it... and my job is about it... but if i don't have a certificate, that might mean nothing to a future employer...

Who should deliver those certifications?

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certification

Thanks, Cristina for this comment. Indeed certification & validation of competences at school as well as in professional life is a very important issue now and one of the objectives of Grand Coalition. Also we have discussed it during a webinar on the Future of Higher Education with an Ernst&Young education expert Stephanie Fahey and Xavier Prats Monne, Deputy-Director General of DG EAC. The recording of the webinar is available here: https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/futurium/en/content/future-education

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